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What do I have to expect from the injection with the radioactive blue dye for the lymph node biopsy? How does the procedure go? Is it painful? I need to have one done the day before my surgery in the right breast close to the nipple.

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  • sandy glisman Profile
    anonymous
    Survivor since 2011
    Mine was done pre-surgery and i had taken a xanax to relax me. I don't remember it being too bad. Ask for something to relax you and a topical numbing cream!! Good luck to you and keep us posted!You are in my thoughts and prayers!! Hugs and lucky shamrocks Sandy
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      Hello Sandy,
      thank you so much for your encouragement. Great idea to ask for something to relax me. Never would have thought of it. The nurse told me that they will apply a numbing cream. Best of wishes for a successful reconstruction surgery and...

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      Hello Sandy,
      thank you so much for your encouragement. Great idea to ask for something to relax me. Never would have thought of it. The nurse told me that they will apply a numbing cream. Best of wishes for a successful reconstruction surgery and also a lot of strength for your journey ahead.
      Much love,
      Kornelia

      over 6 years Flag
    • Coco Smith Profile
      anonymous
      Learning About Breast Cancer

      Dear Sandy,

      if you google the terms radiotracer injection and pain you will find posts from hundreds of women who found this injection agonizingly painful. In fact, far worse than childbirth.
      If you google the name Jesse B Crowe and radiotracer...

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      Dear Sandy,

      if you google the terms radiotracer injection and pain you will find posts from hundreds of women who found this injection agonizingly painful. In fact, far worse than childbirth.
      If you google the name Jesse B Crowe and radiotracer injection you will read terrific news articles from Arizona as well as a high profile, prestigious breast cancer conference where a Nuclear Medicine Supervisor in Arizona become so upset at conducting the procedure that left so many women in massive, agonizing pain, that he developed a protocol to ensure enough pain relief was given. That involved applying EMLA cream an hour or two prior to the injection to the affected breast and covering it in saran wrap and/or including lidocaine/lignocaine [the name varies from country to country] into the injection.
      If you google the names of Oncology nurses Feltzer and Holmes and radiotracer injections, you will find a journal article where these nurses describe the pain from radiotracer injections as "agonizing." They also conducted the only scientifically valid study I could find of women patients who were asked to rate the pain from the radiotracer injection out of 10 [10 being worst pain possible while living] without pain relief and with pain relief. The women reported agonizing pain well in excess of a 9/10 without pain relief and a 2/10 with pain relief. The pain relief they used was EMLA cream and lidocaine.
      If you google the name Krynyncky and th words optimal sentinel node procedure you will find this researchers who was one of the father's of this procedure states that pain relief is essential for radiotracer injections in the breast. It cannot be omitted.
      If you google the words radiotracer injections, pain and dogs or animals you will find that no modern animal ethics committee permits this injection to be administered to animals without mandatory pain relief.
      In other words, the Nuclear medicine establishment have known for a very long time about the horrendous pain assoviated with radiotracer injections yet they callously and inhumanely ignore all this well established research and with the exception of a few blessed individuals like Jesse Crowe, contine to perform this appalling procedure on us on what for many of us is one of the worst days of our lives without bothering to offer us any pain relief. Pain relief for this procedure is simple, inexpensive, largely effective and with virtually no side effects. Yet I still have women I speak to regularly being lied to and told eg., they cannot have pain relief as it interferes with the imaging and/or its only a mild sting.
      I have no idea what drives the nuclear medicine profession into delighting with torturing us with these injections when pain relief is so easy and effective. Why did Dr Goebbels conduct his appalling experiements on people without pain relief and be so inured to their pain? I am sure there are deep psychological and other explanations for such professional brutality.
      In my case, the radiotracer used was antimony - that is used in battery acid by the way as well as making match heads and those reflective stripes on clothing. If you are the sort of person who thinks you do not require pain relief before having often multiple injections of battery acid into your breast, then by all means have it without pain relief. However, I am currently engaged in a campaign in my country to amend the lymphoscinitgraphy protocol to make the offer of pain relief mandatory [like it is for dogs!] and for the truth about the pain levels to be revaled to all women so we can make an informed decision and informed consent to the procedure - as well as opt in or out of pain relief if we want it.
      What is driving me? I was assured the pain levels were no greater than a local anesthetic and it was a mild sting. I would rate the pain as a 9.7/10. The only worse pain I could imagine would be having a limb ripped off and the pain being so bad I passed out. I lost control of my bladder and bowels. It felt like the top of my head exploded off my shoulders. I went into shock. I cried. The muscles in my neck, chest, shoulder and arm contracted so violently it took three months of three times a week physiotherapy to get back 95% functioning. If I did not insist on them fixing the damage they did to my muscles by threatening litigation, I am sure I would be one of those breast cancer patients with significant morbidity to my neck, shoulder, chest and arm muscles.
      I am so over the pain being glossed over and/or the patient pain thresh hold being held up as the role model as being that of the super tough, stoic and almost pain free. This model renders those of us who are not like that the deviant or "problem" patients. The real problem is the Nuclear medicine establishment who have refused to take a humane approach to the radiotracer protocols to ensure pain relief is offered to all women - mind you, they are happy to offer it to dogs. Why do women with breast cancer rate lower on the pain relief pecking order ? I would love to hear from a Nulcear Medicine practitioner about how they justify this barbarity inflicted on women with breast cancer.

      over 6 years Flag
    • sandy glisman Profile
      anonymous
      Survivor since 2011

      Coco,
      I think it's different for everyone and depends upon your tolerance for pain as well. My dr made sure I was comfortable with all aspects of my treatment, so I guess I was very lucky!!! This is traumatic enough for us, so ask for pain meds...

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      Coco,
      I think it's different for everyone and depends upon your tolerance for pain as well. My dr made sure I was comfortable with all aspects of my treatment, so I guess I was very lucky!!! This is traumatic enough for us, so ask for pain meds and numbing meds, it is your right!! Good luck to all who have to go thru this nightmare!! My prayers and love go out to each and every one of you!! Keep fighting the fight!!
      Hugs,
      Sandy

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    • Phyl B Profile
      anonymous
      Learning About Breast Cancer

      My sentinel node mapping was extremely (unbearably) painful. Coco, thank you for your posting helping me to validate my experience. It disturbs me greatly that the potential pain is not communicated and I would like to advocate for a change in...

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      My sentinel node mapping was extremely (unbearably) painful. Coco, thank you for your posting helping me to validate my experience. It disturbs me greatly that the potential pain is not communicated and I would like to advocate for a change in the proocol (to at least alert women of the potential pain (+10 on a scale of 1 to 10) and the benefits that could otherwise not be realized and allowing them to make a decision on whether to continue with the procedure. Any suggestions on where I might start my plight for change?

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    • Connie Demarest Profile
      anonymous
      Learning About Breast Cancer

      I had this procedure done 8/25/11. They put emla cream on a little bit beforehand, and said they put lidocaine in the injection as well-not sure I believe that one! I know what lidocaine feels like, and it doesn't feel like the injection did! This...

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      I had this procedure done 8/25/11. They put emla cream on a little bit beforehand, and said they put lidocaine in the injection as well-not sure I believe that one! I know what lidocaine feels like, and it doesn't feel like the injection did! This was by far the worst part of the whole surgery experience! I've had 3 natural childbirths, back surgery, and a lot of root canals, and this is by far the worst pain I've ever had!! It is barbaric.

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      anonymous
      Stage 1 Patient

      I could not believe the pain. I wanted a bullet to bite. They made it sound like it was just a "little stick." BS!! The doctor was in a huge hurry. He just stuck me 8 times and walked out of the room. I was just wanting to die. Why didn't...

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      I could not believe the pain. I wanted a bullet to bite. They made it sound like it was just a "little stick." BS!! The doctor was in a huge hurry. He just stuck me 8 times and walked out of the room. I was just wanting to die. Why didn't you just kill me instead of causing me so much pain?? But most of what I was told was BS. NOTHING worked out like I was told it would. Two years and the pain in my arm is burning every day, all day long.

      over 5 years Flag
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      anonymous
      Learning About Breast Cancer

      I had this and the initial shot was very painful. Afterwards, I knew what to expect and was ok with it. Just a part of "the big C business."

      over 5 years Flag
    • margaret gorbett Profile
      anonymous
      Stage 0 Patient

      I just had this done about a week ago. I did not experience much pain from the injection but I did experience burning for a few minutes. It was not terrible. The doctor did completely numb the whole breast before starting. The IV they put in...

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      I just had this done about a week ago. I did not experience much pain from the injection but I did experience burning for a few minutes. It was not terrible. The doctor did completely numb the whole breast before starting. The IV they put in before the surgery was more painful. I guess it all depends on the doctor/nurse and your tolerance for pain. Meditation/deep breathinmg helps me in all these stressful situations.

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  • sandy glisman Profile
    anonymous
    Survivor since 2011
    Kornelia, Thank you for your well wishes!! This is such a rollercoaster ride of upds and downs. Definately make them give you something to relax and you will be fine!! I will be praying for you consistantly pink lady!! You can do this!! Keep me posted!! Hugs and lucky shamrocks Sandy
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      anonymous

      Hello Sandy,
      I put a face to my name:-). Just uploaded a photo holding the flowers my daughter send me for Mother's Day. I'm in my Sock-Monkey PJ's for the hospital.:-) I'll keep you posted and please also let me know how you are doing!
      Much...

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      Hello Sandy,
      I put a face to my name:-). Just uploaded a photo holding the flowers my daughter send me for Mother's Day. I'm in my Sock-Monkey PJ's for the hospital.:-) I'll keep you posted and please also let me know how you are doing!
      Much love,
      Kornelia

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      anonymous

      Hello, my surgery (bilateral mastectomy) went very well on Tuesday and I went home yesterday. I am not in much pain, the two drains are uncomfortable though. I had no nausea and already walk around a little bit at a time. I feel very lucky. The...

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      Hello, my surgery (bilateral mastectomy) went very well on Tuesday and I went home yesterday. I am not in much pain, the two drains are uncomfortable though. I had no nausea and already walk around a little bit at a time. I feel very lucky. The sentinel lymph nodes came back negative. Tomorrow I'll get the pathology report. The radioactive tracer injection was not too bad after all. Two short injections stung like a big bee stings. Then I had to rub my breast to distribute the solution. I felt the sting go through my breast tissue and after a few minutes it was gone. I'll keep you posted. With best wishes to all of you.
      Love,
      Kornelia

      over 6 years Flag
    • sandy glisman Profile
      anonymous
      Survivor since 2011

      Congrats Kornelia!!
      I too was frantic about the injections, but i'm not on here to scare people, and it didn't end up being too bad for me, so i spoke the truth. Be kind to yourself now and rest!!! You deserve to be a pink, pampered princess!!...

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      Congrats Kornelia!!
      I too was frantic about the injections, but i'm not on here to scare people, and it didn't end up being too bad for me, so i spoke the truth. Be kind to yourself now and rest!!! You deserve to be a pink, pampered princess!! Good luck to you on a good pathology report!! Keep us posted!!
      Hugs and lucky shamrocks
      Sandy

      over 6 years Flag
  • Buster OBuster Profile
    anonymous
    Learning About Breast Cancer
    Drink a 5th of whiskey
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  • Tina Carney Profile
    anonymous
    Learning About Breast Cancer
    I didn't have any problems what so ever. I'm not one to take any kind of pills nor did I need any. Hopefully you will fi
    almost 6 years Comment Flag

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